I moved the stuff from Facebook to here along with all the current comments. I'll post the rest of my weekly 'thoughts' here and we can all comment on here.
So I have watched the episodes a couple of times and here between watching the show and a few conversations I have a few thoughts...
Lets start at the very beginning (a very good place to start), The opening sequence of the episode. This is where we see Dr. Candle/Halliwax/Chan perform his morning routine and then go film a 'Hatch Video'. I think that when we were watching the episode live we were too wrapped up in the 'Who is it going to be?' question to think about some of what we were seeing. Upon a second viewing I realized that he was getting up to take care of a baby. A BABY! This means one of two things, either the good doctor and his wife just moved to the Island, or, and I think this is what we are really supposed to pull from the scene, that island baby making wasn't a problem before the rise of Dharma and the manipulation of time. I always figured that the same phenomenon that was keeping Richard Alpert young was preventing babies from being born. I think that time travel is the answer to both questions.
Most of the episode seemed rather straightforward to me. It was the confirmation of time travel on the Island, and with all the weird stuff we have already seen, time travel didn't shock me at all. I really like the way that it is being presented and it is giving one of my new favorite characters (Daniel Faraday) a chance to shine. Some people were saying that they didn't like all the time flashes that happened in the first episode but I think it was more of an introduction to how it worked then a pace for the rest of the season. So here are the time travel topics for discussion,
- Desmond, he's special. I don't know if the hatch explosion is what made him special or if he was beforehand but we do know that he's not new to moving through time. His conversation with Daniel created a new memory for Desmond and is what will bring him back to the Island. Which brings me to...
-I don't think Daniel is being very truthful with everyone. Obviously he knows more then he is letting on but I think he is has a reason for hiding what he knows.
-We are going to learn a lot about the history of the Island through these flashes, and I like that.
Man, I am starting to forget some of the stuff I wanted to say... hmmmm
Oh yeah, Locke is Dead. But is he totally dead, or only mostly dead? The way Ben is treating the situation, I'm not sure.
The peeps that shot the fire arrows at the end of episode two, well I like to think that they are the people who man the Arrow Station. Their job, as was explained at the beginning of the season, is to combat the indigenous people on the island. I think, they think our 815ers are those people.
If you are still reading this, good on you. I figure if I am getting tired of writing this, you are probably tired of reading it. I'm sure I have more to say but I am just getting distracted. So some final predictions....
Even though Ben is off the Island, he is still part of a network that is trying to keep the island away from Widmore.
Ms. Hawkings from the end of the episode is awesome and just might be Dan's mommy.
Ben will find a way to get everyone back to the Island... "he always has a plan"
Okay, I'm done. Leave a comment with any thoughts... I can't wait for next Wednesday.
John Coffelt at 11:26pm January 24
I think you're on the right track with the idea that the problem with pregnancies has to do with the manipulation of time.
Desmond was probably made special by the hatch explosion, because that was when he started having his issues with time. I noticed that he was the only person in the episode who saw the purple flash besides the time traveling Losties.
Daniel probably knows more about the dangers of what they're going through than he is letting on. It might even be possible to effect the future in some ways, but it is too dangerous and risky to try if you're not a physicist from Oxford.
The way Ben talked about Locke makes it sound like he might not be totally dead. It would be hard to swallow if he wasn't, but we'll see. I'd like to know why he has to die to bring everyone back.
Travis Menard at 11:29pm January 24
Yeah I can't wait to see what develops with Locke and his attempts to get off the island. Of all the guys who would never want to leave and now he has too.
John Coffelt at 11:32pm January 24
I don't know if I agree with you on the people in the Arrow station. It doesn't seem likely that they would actually use arrows. I think they're more likely part of that group that we see at the end of the episode and who knows who those people are.
Widmore doesn't really seem like that big of threat. It took him 20 years to find the island the first time. They could probably just wait for him to die after moving it now. It sounds like the bigger threat is whatever happens if they don't get everyone back. Ben is clearly part of some network, but his role in that network is something I'd like to find out. Ben should just get those darts that worked on Sayid and mail everyone back to the island.
It doesn't seem likely to me that Ms. Hawkings is Dan's mom. She'd have to be in two places at once.
It is going to be a good season.
John Coffelt at 12:14am January 25
Also, do you think Ms. Hawking was in a Dharma Station when we see her below that church? The computers looked similar to the ones Dharma uses and it had a hatch kind of vibe to it.
What do you think is in the box that Ben hides in the air vent?
I'm still trying to figure out what Dr. Chang was saying before he got cut off.
John Coffelt at 12:26am January 25
After watching that scene with Ms. Hawkings, there are indeed Dharma symbols on the binders by the computer. *Nerd Triumph signal*
John Coffelt at 12:35am January 25
And there is a Dharma Symbol clearly visible on the computer monitor when it zooms in on the "Event Window Determined". Looks like a lighthouse.
Matt Thompson at 1:32am January 25
Question......why do they not need to take Micheal/Walt back as well? Were they always supposed to get off the island? For that matter, what about Sun's baby...does she not need to go back either? Simple oversight or design?
Matt Thompson at 1:38am January 25
Edit to the above statement: Well......Micheal I guess you can consider being dead on the island. But my Walt thought still stands.
John Coffelt at 2:43am January 25
Maybe Walt does need to come back. Maybe not everyone does need to come back. Ben doesn't mention Aaron when talking about who needs to come back.
Ryan McGovern at 10:50am January 25
So are you saying that Locke is only kinda dead like in the Princess Bride? Will true love bring him back? Is Andre the Giant going to have to drag him around the rest of the season? So many questions.
John Coffelt at 11:37am January 25
Is that how the show is going to end? With us finding out that it was just Peter Falk reading a children's book to a young Fred Savage the entire time?
Ryan McGovern at 3:01pm January 25
OK hang on a second. The island has "moved" or has it? If all these people are jumping through time why are they at the location of the new island. Leading me to believe that the island did not actually go anywhere physically. While we are on the topic why did Ben shake that rabbit?
Travis Menard at 3:04pm January 25
Wow I will have to go back a look for that Dharma logo.
And yes, I believe that by the end of the season the O6 will take Locke to see Miracle Max, will make a coco covered pill and then shout, "Have fun storming the Island".
In regards to what Matt said, I'm not sure why Walt is not included. It could be that because he left before the rest of the group he is not needed. Or maybe they are already planning on taking him too. IDK. As for Aaron I think he does need to go back because he was there on the Island with the rest of the O6. Ji Yeon was born off the island and shouldn't need to go back.
As for the off Island stuff with Ben and Ms. Hawkings I think you are right on track Coffee. I noticed the old computer that she was working on and saw that it was just like the one in the swan. It is well known that Ben's reach extended beyond the Island but is he really at the top of the list? I think we will learn more about that soon. As for what is in the box... I don't know.
Ryan McGovern at 3:05pm January 25
Also if they jump to the time when Locke doesn't enter the numbers, will they enter them?
Matt Thompson at 3:08pm January 25
Well...isn't it obvious? Locke is in purgatory....and the yellow flash is the black smoke monster taking pictures of everyone (must be their special nano-bot technology). Why didn't we see this before?
Ryan McGovern at 3:09pm January 25
if Locke can't actually die I hope they turn him into Kenny from South Park and kill him every episode.
John Coffelt at 3:17pm January 25
I think the island is moving physically while some of the people on the island are moving through time. The danger is that if the island keeps moving, eventually it will crash right into the middle of Texas and that wouldn't be good for anyone.
John Coffelt at 3:17pm January 25
Besides the island needs to move to the North Pole for the LOST Season 6 Christmas special.
Matt Thompson at 3:21pm January 25
Being serious now, it kind of depends on what happens if they go back in time to a point where they were already there and that opens up 2 possibilities: 1) there are two of them all on the island at the same time (2 Sawyers, 2 Lockes, etc) or 2) They are taking the place of their past selves at that point in history.
If its option 1, I have no clue what would happen. Option 2 however seems much more likely and would cause more problems because some of the people are not there anymore (I'm assuming everyone that they are seeing in the past died on the island). We need to go back and see if any of the people who left did anything of great importance to the island and if them not doing it (again in the past) would mess up everything (if they aren't there to do it again, then Faraday's stream would have to change, causeing all sorts of chaos).
John Coffelt at 3:25pm January 25
I hope, for the sake of not confusing everyone with some weird time paradox, that they never visit a time when they were on the island. They were only there for about 4 months before the island moved, so it is possible that they would never land in that time period.
Ryan McGovern at 3:26pm January 25
I still have questions about the time travel moving through space and time because supposedly the island has moved in space to another location.
Travis Menard at 3:34pm January 25
I agree with Coffelt about the whole doppelganger paradox stuff... I just hope it doesn't happen.
I'm thinking of moving these to a blog off facebook so others could get involved. Thoughts?
p.s. Yo Gabba Gabba is on Noggin. Woot!
Matt Thompson at 3:46pm January 25
I was only introducing that possibility to explain why they have to go back. It seems reasonable...if they are preventing the stream from staying the same by their absence, that could lead Ms. Hawkings (aka Ms Creepy Time Lady) to say that they are all doomed (or whatever she said) if they don't go back.
Matt Thompson at 4:09pm January 25
oh...and go ahead and move this elsewhere if you feel like it. I have people from back home that I'll let know so they can check it too.
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