My mind draws a blank right now, but now that we have this time travel thing going on, does anyone know what would happen if a future self interacted with their past self?
For a half second, thinking about reasons why Charlotte might be all nosebleedafied, I thought that perhaps Elle was pregnant with a baby Char (but then I took a millisecond to realize that Charlotte was born in the 70's-early 80's according the information provided by Ben{as though we can trust that})
But that of course led me to the aforementioned question and what kind of repercussions it could have.
Also could this have something to do with why Ben can't go back to the Island after turning the Donkey Wheel?
It's out of left field I know, but I really needed a topic of some form to start contributing.
Peace!
Saturday, January 31, 2009
Is Penny more important than we're thinking?
Was just thinking about this. To this point, we still don't know who her mother is. Nor have we actually seen her and Widmore together....ever. I don't think we've even seen them talk to each other. She had people stationed around the globe looking for the island (specifically an electromagnetic pulse). And if you remember, when she and Desmond talked to her while on the freighter, she was in her flat (not that impressive till you realize that she made it out and found them on the raft not more than a week later....from London to a point in the Pacific Ocean is pretty quick in that time frame). She at least knows more about whats going on then anybody (crash survivors and possibly her father) really realizes. I have a feeling she still has some part to play out in this yet (can't exactly tell what, but pretty sure she will). Any ideas, or not that big of a deal?
Does Charlotte Die?
Travis asked me this and I said "No" but I didn't elaborate. Since Kiersten and Coffelt pointed out that Charlotte said that she was looking for the place that she was born, and it was earlier stated that the new people(Daniel, Charlotte, the Asian Guy, and the Chick that Locke killed) where all there for a reason, I have a hard time thinking that they will kill her in the next few episodes unless there is some sort of major reveal as to her purpose for coming to the island. As of right now, there has been nothing.
Changed opinion after rewatch...
I just re-watched the episode and I think we are off track on some things....
First off there was a lot of talk about the relationship between Faraday and the woman in the hospital bed. We also had some thoughts about who 'Ellie' the British woman who walked Dan out to the h-bomb was, and her relation to everyone was. I'm gonna break it into two parts.
Teresa Spencer
This was the woman who we first saw in the photo from Dan's old lab. This is the same woman who is in the hospital bed when Des goes to find her. We had some theories that she might be Dan's half sister. I really think that this is wrong. I think the main reason we came to that conclusion is because of the conversation that Faraday has with Ellie on the Island. In the conversation that Des has with Teresa's sister she speaks of Dan not like a brother at all and she mentioned that their father had died five years ago. I suppose it is still possible that their moms are the same person but the more I think about it, it just seems to circumstantial. As for Ellie.
Ellie
I am even more convinced that this is Dan's mom. The conversation that they have as they walk out to the bomb is about why Dan is looking at her funny and he says that she reminds him so someone "He used to know." This was the comment that made a bunch a people think, OH! she looks like the Teresa! She is gonna be her mom!
I think this is the wrong conclusion. I think he is using this line as a cover for "You look like my Mom, because you are." The "real Romeo" line that Ellie uses is more of a like, Ha! His mom thinks he is romantically interested in her.
As for Ellie being Ms. Hawking well. I'm totally convinced of that. Ms. Hawking knows about time travel, a lot. I think we can thank Dan for telling her that it exists in this episode. She is in LA, we know that because at the end of episode two she is talking to Ben who is also in LA. Dan's mom is also in LA (coincidence?). Finally when looking for this picture of Ms. Hawking I searched 'Hawking' on Lostpedia and it came up with the name 'Eloise Hawking'. Sorry if that is considered 'SPOILER' but it got me too. Okay well I hope some of this makes sense in some way and I look forward to seeing what you guys think.
-Travis
First off there was a lot of talk about the relationship between Faraday and the woman in the hospital bed. We also had some thoughts about who 'Ellie' the British woman who walked Dan out to the h-bomb was, and her relation to everyone was. I'm gonna break it into two parts.
Teresa Spencer
This was the woman who we first saw in the photo from Dan's old lab. This is the same woman who is in the hospital bed when Des goes to find her. We had some theories that she might be Dan's half sister. I really think that this is wrong. I think the main reason we came to that conclusion is because of the conversation that Faraday has with Ellie on the Island. In the conversation that Des has with Teresa's sister she speaks of Dan not like a brother at all and she mentioned that their father had died five years ago. I suppose it is still possible that their moms are the same person but the more I think about it, it just seems to circumstantial. As for Ellie.
Ellie
I am even more convinced that this is Dan's mom. The conversation that they have as they walk out to the bomb is about why Dan is looking at her funny and he says that she reminds him so someone "He used to know." This was the comment that made a bunch a people think, OH! she looks like the Teresa! She is gonna be her mom!
I think this is the wrong conclusion. I think he is using this line as a cover for "You look like my Mom, because you are." The "real Romeo" line that Ellie uses is more of a like, Ha! His mom thinks he is romantically interested in her.
As for Ellie being Ms. Hawking well. I'm totally convinced of that. Ms. Hawking knows about time travel, a lot. I think we can thank Dan for telling her that it exists in this episode. She is in LA, we know that because at the end of episode two she is talking to Ben who is also in LA. Dan's mom is also in LA (coincidence?). Finally when looking for this picture of Ms. Hawking I searched 'Hawking' on Lostpedia and it came up with the name 'Eloise Hawking'. Sorry if that is considered 'SPOILER' but it got me too. Okay well I hope some of this makes sense in some way and I look forward to seeing what you guys think.
-Travis
Thursday, January 29, 2009
Lost Thoughts Live?
So I just did some playing around online and found a site where I can host a live broadcast from my living room. I can also record the shows thus giving us the ability to both broadcast the watch party live as well as record our after episode discussion. I did a small test tonight and I think it could work out well. So let's put it to a vote. I'll throw up a poll and if everyone is down then next week's watch party could be online.
-Travis
-Travis
The Answer
I think the woman in the bed was the same woman that was on the island in the 1950's and held the gun to Faraday's head to get him to unarm the nuke. :)
My friends Vlog
Here is a vlog my home skillet Kiersten posted on youtube. I gave her the URL so she might be posting on the blog also
Watch it and post your comments. I've recently found that she is as much of a Lost nerd as us.
Jughead thoughts
Let me preface this with this: this episode was awesome. Finally, giving up answers that they've been promising to do for a while.
That said, I am not a huge fan of this new time travel element. It seems to open up some holes problems/holes that are kind of hard to explain. The best example I can come up with is this hydrogen bomb (which works a bit better than my Locke/Alpert one from last night). My problem is there had to be an original time to the story. The first time through time, the bomb had to be fine on its own.....it didn't blow up (or the island wouldn't have been there for DHARMA or our survivors) and it wasn't necessarily buried in concrete. However, later Faraday goes into the past and tells them what to do with it and from then on through history, it is buried. But if Faraday hadn't have gone back, would it still have been buried?.... would it possibly have blown up at some point? However, I do like the ability to see what happens in the islands past, which leads me to one of the biggest reveals yet....
Charlie is still alive!! Not really (and if it does end up being the same person, I'll be upset). The actual surprise is Widmore used to be in the island.
Now, I am assuming that Widmore was one of the "Hostiles" that were fighting with DHARMA. But he seems to blame Ben specifically for something; his exile from the island, his lack of being in charge. Whatever the case may be, it lead me to these rapid-fire possibilities:
-Ben got to the island in the 70's. The Purge was in the early 90's. Was Widmore still around for the purge? Probably not because he wouldn't have had time to build his company. But at what point did he leave?
-Penny seems to be around 30...could she have been born on the island? If so, who is her mother?
-Out there possibility: I agree with McG that there is a good shot that the girl with the gun could be both Ms Hawking and Faraday's mother, and that the lady in the coma is his sister. However, could there be more to the fact that Widmore is taking care or the sister?...perhaps that it is his daughter?....which would mean Faraday and Penny are (half)brother/sister (they did pick an actress that looks enough like Penny to work). Do I beleive this 100%: No. Is it completely out of the realm of possibility: Not at all.
-If Ms Hawking is indeed Faraday's mother, Widmore has no clue she is working with Ben....if he did, there is no way that he send Desmond (and Penny) straight that way. Ben has already said he's going to kill Penny.
Not as rapid as I thought. Last thing I found kind of interesting: Richard is old and everybody knows it and just accepts it. Still no reason on why or how he is so old, but Juliet just kind of shrugs it off.
Trailer for next week looks awesome, but thats a different discussion.
That said, I am not a huge fan of this new time travel element. It seems to open up some holes problems/holes that are kind of hard to explain. The best example I can come up with is this hydrogen bomb (which works a bit better than my Locke/Alpert one from last night). My problem is there had to be an original time to the story. The first time through time, the bomb had to be fine on its own.....it didn't blow up (or the island wouldn't have been there for DHARMA or our survivors) and it wasn't necessarily buried in concrete. However, later Faraday goes into the past and tells them what to do with it and from then on through history, it is buried. But if Faraday hadn't have gone back, would it still have been buried?.... would it possibly have blown up at some point? However, I do like the ability to see what happens in the islands past, which leads me to one of the biggest reveals yet....
Charlie is still alive!! Not really (and if it does end up being the same person, I'll be upset). The actual surprise is Widmore used to be in the island.
Now, I am assuming that Widmore was one of the "Hostiles" that were fighting with DHARMA. But he seems to blame Ben specifically for something; his exile from the island, his lack of being in charge. Whatever the case may be, it lead me to these rapid-fire possibilities:
-Ben got to the island in the 70's. The Purge was in the early 90's. Was Widmore still around for the purge? Probably not because he wouldn't have had time to build his company. But at what point did he leave?
-Penny seems to be around 30...could she have been born on the island? If so, who is her mother?
-Out there possibility: I agree with McG that there is a good shot that the girl with the gun could be both Ms Hawking and Faraday's mother, and that the lady in the coma is his sister. However, could there be more to the fact that Widmore is taking care or the sister?...perhaps that it is his daughter?....which would mean Faraday and Penny are (half)brother/sister (they did pick an actress that looks enough like Penny to work). Do I beleive this 100%: No. Is it completely out of the realm of possibility: Not at all.
-If Ms Hawking is indeed Faraday's mother, Widmore has no clue she is working with Ben....if he did, there is no way that he send Desmond (and Penny) straight that way. Ben has already said he's going to kill Penny.
Not as rapid as I thought. Last thing I found kind of interesting: Richard is old and everybody knows it and just accepts it. Still no reason on why or how he is so old, but Juliet just kind of shrugs it off.
Trailer for next week looks awesome, but thats a different discussion.
Wednesday, January 28, 2009
Finale Prediction
OK here is my prediction for how the show ends. I think it will be very well written and we are all going to be in all, but it will essentially boil down to a retelling of the Atlantis story. I don't think they will come out and say it's Atlantis because that is too corny, but I think they will say that they were an advance civilization who found great technologies and was to travel across space and time and extend life and because of all of this the surrounding civilizations tried to attack them which is why they moved the island and why they are very angry at outsiders.
Whether or not they say it I believe the island originated in the Mediterranean.
First most of the long term inhabitants are white or at least European.
Second the four toed foot first of all denotes a seperate race than normal humans and the Greek or Roman sandle on the statue further supports this island used to be in the Mediterranean.
Whether or not they say it I believe the island originated in the Mediterranean.
First most of the long term inhabitants are white or at least European.
Second the four toed foot first of all denotes a seperate race than normal humans and the Greek or Roman sandle on the statue further supports this island used to be in the Mediterranean.
I'm sure everyone(Travis) will have points of contention, so have at it.
First thoughts of S5E3 'Jughead'
First and foremost, this was a great episode.
It had all the stuff that I love about LOST.
First off we had a new set of people on the Island who we were not sure the identity of. I am still really loving the jumps in time and how it can be used as a device to reveal things about the history of the Island. There was of course the big reveal of the episode...
Widmore used to be on the Island back in the 50's. SO SWEET!
I was literally pacing the room and at the end of the scene everyone looks over to see me standing on the couch. What can I say, I like the show.
I love what that little tid-bit could mean for the history of the show and I can't wait for it to flesh out further. Then there was the whole H-Bomb thing. This was interesting, no question, but I think that it will mean a lot more when tied to something later in the season.
The last on Island thing was where Locke meets up with Alpert and tells him when he will be born. This of course ties in to past episodes where Alpert was making multiple attempts to get Locke on the Island.
As for the off Island stuff we were focused on Desmond's story the whole time. It was great to see that Penny and Des had a son and it was nice that they named him Charlie. Desmond's search for Faraday's mom helped him learn how involved Widmore had really been with his research and this connection also makes me question Dan's loyalty. I thought that the interaction between Charles and Des in the office showed a very different side of Widmore and I am still thinking Ms. Hawking (the white haired lady from the end of last week's episode) is Dan's mom.
I also think that the young woman who held the gun on Dan at the H-Bomb could also be Ms. Hawking. If both were true then it would mean that was his mom... Woah.
Okay I should quit before I am up all night. Looking forward to the other posts.
-Travis
It had all the stuff that I love about LOST.
First off we had a new set of people on the Island who we were not sure the identity of. I am still really loving the jumps in time and how it can be used as a device to reveal things about the history of the Island. There was of course the big reveal of the episode...
Widmore used to be on the Island back in the 50's. SO SWEET!
I was literally pacing the room and at the end of the scene everyone looks over to see me standing on the couch. What can I say, I like the show.
I love what that little tid-bit could mean for the history of the show and I can't wait for it to flesh out further. Then there was the whole H-Bomb thing. This was interesting, no question, but I think that it will mean a lot more when tied to something later in the season.
The last on Island thing was where Locke meets up with Alpert and tells him when he will be born. This of course ties in to past episodes where Alpert was making multiple attempts to get Locke on the Island.
As for the off Island stuff we were focused on Desmond's story the whole time. It was great to see that Penny and Des had a son and it was nice that they named him Charlie. Desmond's search for Faraday's mom helped him learn how involved Widmore had really been with his research and this connection also makes me question Dan's loyalty. I thought that the interaction between Charles and Des in the office showed a very different side of Widmore and I am still thinking Ms. Hawking (the white haired lady from the end of last week's episode) is Dan's mom.
I also think that the young woman who held the gun on Dan at the H-Bomb could also be Ms. Hawking. If both were true then it would mean that was his mom... Woah.
Okay I should quit before I am up all night. Looking forward to the other posts.
-Travis
Watch party post...
Watch party roster:
Travis
Sheena
Dan (Ford)
John (Coffelt)
Ryan
Matt
What a great episode. Possibly best of the season.
Currently discussing, let the posts begin.
Travis
Sheena
Dan (Ford)
John (Coffelt)
Ryan
Matt
What a great episode. Possibly best of the season.
Currently discussing, let the posts begin.
Sunday, January 25, 2009
Lost Thoughts from Season 5 week 1
I moved the stuff from Facebook to here along with all the current comments. I'll post the rest of my weekly 'thoughts' here and we can all comment on here.
So I have watched the episodes a couple of times and here between watching the show and a few conversations I have a few thoughts...
Lets start at the very beginning (a very good place to start), The opening sequence of the episode. This is where we see Dr. Candle/Halliwax/Chan perform his morning routine and then go film a 'Hatch Video'. I think that when we were watching the episode live we were too wrapped up in the 'Who is it going to be?' question to think about some of what we were seeing. Upon a second viewing I realized that he was getting up to take care of a baby. A BABY! This means one of two things, either the good doctor and his wife just moved to the Island, or, and I think this is what we are really supposed to pull from the scene, that island baby making wasn't a problem before the rise of Dharma and the manipulation of time. I always figured that the same phenomenon that was keeping Richard Alpert young was preventing babies from being born. I think that time travel is the answer to both questions.
Most of the episode seemed rather straightforward to me. It was the confirmation of time travel on the Island, and with all the weird stuff we have already seen, time travel didn't shock me at all. I really like the way that it is being presented and it is giving one of my new favorite characters (Daniel Faraday) a chance to shine. Some people were saying that they didn't like all the time flashes that happened in the first episode but I think it was more of an introduction to how it worked then a pace for the rest of the season. So here are the time travel topics for discussion,
- Desmond, he's special. I don't know if the hatch explosion is what made him special or if he was beforehand but we do know that he's not new to moving through time. His conversation with Daniel created a new memory for Desmond and is what will bring him back to the Island. Which brings me to...
-I don't think Daniel is being very truthful with everyone. Obviously he knows more then he is letting on but I think he is has a reason for hiding what he knows.
-We are going to learn a lot about the history of the Island through these flashes, and I like that.
Man, I am starting to forget some of the stuff I wanted to say... hmmmm
Oh yeah, Locke is Dead. But is he totally dead, or only mostly dead? The way Ben is treating the situation, I'm not sure.
The peeps that shot the fire arrows at the end of episode two, well I like to think that they are the people who man the Arrow Station. Their job, as was explained at the beginning of the season, is to combat the indigenous people on the island. I think, they think our 815ers are those people.
If you are still reading this, good on you. I figure if I am getting tired of writing this, you are probably tired of reading it. I'm sure I have more to say but I am just getting distracted. So some final predictions....
Even though Ben is off the Island, he is still part of a network that is trying to keep the island away from Widmore.
Ms. Hawkings from the end of the episode is awesome and just might be Dan's mommy.
Ben will find a way to get everyone back to the Island... "he always has a plan"
Okay, I'm done. Leave a comment with any thoughts... I can't wait for next Wednesday.
John Coffelt at 11:26pm January 24
I think you're on the right track with the idea that the problem with pregnancies has to do with the manipulation of time.
Desmond was probably made special by the hatch explosion, because that was when he started having his issues with time. I noticed that he was the only person in the episode who saw the purple flash besides the time traveling Losties.
Daniel probably knows more about the dangers of what they're going through than he is letting on. It might even be possible to effect the future in some ways, but it is too dangerous and risky to try if you're not a physicist from Oxford.
The way Ben talked about Locke makes it sound like he might not be totally dead. It would be hard to swallow if he wasn't, but we'll see. I'd like to know why he has to die to bring everyone back.
Travis Menard at 11:29pm January 24
Yeah I can't wait to see what develops with Locke and his attempts to get off the island. Of all the guys who would never want to leave and now he has too.
John Coffelt at 11:32pm January 24
I don't know if I agree with you on the people in the Arrow station. It doesn't seem likely that they would actually use arrows. I think they're more likely part of that group that we see at the end of the episode and who knows who those people are.
Widmore doesn't really seem like that big of threat. It took him 20 years to find the island the first time. They could probably just wait for him to die after moving it now. It sounds like the bigger threat is whatever happens if they don't get everyone back. Ben is clearly part of some network, but his role in that network is something I'd like to find out. Ben should just get those darts that worked on Sayid and mail everyone back to the island.
It doesn't seem likely to me that Ms. Hawkings is Dan's mom. She'd have to be in two places at once.
It is going to be a good season.
John Coffelt at 12:14am January 25
Also, do you think Ms. Hawking was in a Dharma Station when we see her below that church? The computers looked similar to the ones Dharma uses and it had a hatch kind of vibe to it.
What do you think is in the box that Ben hides in the air vent?
I'm still trying to figure out what Dr. Chang was saying before he got cut off.
John Coffelt at 12:26am January 25
After watching that scene with Ms. Hawkings, there are indeed Dharma symbols on the binders by the computer. *Nerd Triumph signal*
John Coffelt at 12:35am January 25
And there is a Dharma Symbol clearly visible on the computer monitor when it zooms in on the "Event Window Determined". Looks like a lighthouse.
Matt Thompson at 1:32am January 25
Question......why do they not need to take Micheal/Walt back as well? Were they always supposed to get off the island? For that matter, what about Sun's baby...does she not need to go back either? Simple oversight or design?
Matt Thompson at 1:38am January 25
Edit to the above statement: Well......Micheal I guess you can consider being dead on the island. But my Walt thought still stands.
John Coffelt at 2:43am January 25
Maybe Walt does need to come back. Maybe not everyone does need to come back. Ben doesn't mention Aaron when talking about who needs to come back.
Ryan McGovern at 10:50am January 25
So are you saying that Locke is only kinda dead like in the Princess Bride? Will true love bring him back? Is Andre the Giant going to have to drag him around the rest of the season? So many questions.
John Coffelt at 11:37am January 25
Is that how the show is going to end? With us finding out that it was just Peter Falk reading a children's book to a young Fred Savage the entire time?
Ryan McGovern at 3:01pm January 25
OK hang on a second. The island has "moved" or has it? If all these people are jumping through time why are they at the location of the new island. Leading me to believe that the island did not actually go anywhere physically. While we are on the topic why did Ben shake that rabbit?
Travis Menard at 3:04pm January 25
Wow I will have to go back a look for that Dharma logo.
And yes, I believe that by the end of the season the O6 will take Locke to see Miracle Max, will make a coco covered pill and then shout, "Have fun storming the Island".
In regards to what Matt said, I'm not sure why Walt is not included. It could be that because he left before the rest of the group he is not needed. Or maybe they are already planning on taking him too. IDK. As for Aaron I think he does need to go back because he was there on the Island with the rest of the O6. Ji Yeon was born off the island and shouldn't need to go back.
As for the off Island stuff with Ben and Ms. Hawkings I think you are right on track Coffee. I noticed the old computer that she was working on and saw that it was just like the one in the swan. It is well known that Ben's reach extended beyond the Island but is he really at the top of the list? I think we will learn more about that soon. As for what is in the box... I don't know.
Ryan McGovern at 3:05pm January 25
Also if they jump to the time when Locke doesn't enter the numbers, will they enter them?
Matt Thompson at 3:08pm January 25
Well...isn't it obvious? Locke is in purgatory....and the yellow flash is the black smoke monster taking pictures of everyone (must be their special nano-bot technology). Why didn't we see this before?
Ryan McGovern at 3:09pm January 25
if Locke can't actually die I hope they turn him into Kenny from South Park and kill him every episode.
John Coffelt at 3:17pm January 25
I think the island is moving physically while some of the people on the island are moving through time. The danger is that if the island keeps moving, eventually it will crash right into the middle of Texas and that wouldn't be good for anyone.
John Coffelt at 3:17pm January 25
Besides the island needs to move to the North Pole for the LOST Season 6 Christmas special.
Matt Thompson at 3:21pm January 25
Being serious now, it kind of depends on what happens if they go back in time to a point where they were already there and that opens up 2 possibilities: 1) there are two of them all on the island at the same time (2 Sawyers, 2 Lockes, etc) or 2) They are taking the place of their past selves at that point in history.
If its option 1, I have no clue what would happen. Option 2 however seems much more likely and would cause more problems because some of the people are not there anymore (I'm assuming everyone that they are seeing in the past died on the island). We need to go back and see if any of the people who left did anything of great importance to the island and if them not doing it (again in the past) would mess up everything (if they aren't there to do it again, then Faraday's stream would have to change, causeing all sorts of chaos).
John Coffelt at 3:25pm January 25
I hope, for the sake of not confusing everyone with some weird time paradox, that they never visit a time when they were on the island. They were only there for about 4 months before the island moved, so it is possible that they would never land in that time period.
Ryan McGovern at 3:26pm January 25
I still have questions about the time travel moving through space and time because supposedly the island has moved in space to another location.
Travis Menard at 3:34pm January 25
I agree with Coffelt about the whole doppelganger paradox stuff... I just hope it doesn't happen.
I'm thinking of moving these to a blog off facebook so others could get involved. Thoughts?
p.s. Yo Gabba Gabba is on Noggin. Woot!
Matt Thompson at 3:46pm January 25
I was only introducing that possibility to explain why they have to go back. It seems reasonable...if they are preventing the stream from staying the same by their absence, that could lead Ms. Hawkings (aka Ms Creepy Time Lady) to say that they are all doomed (or whatever she said) if they don't go back.
Matt Thompson at 4:09pm January 25
oh...and go ahead and move this elsewhere if you feel like it. I have people from back home that I'll let know so they can check it too.
So I have watched the episodes a couple of times and here between watching the show and a few conversations I have a few thoughts...
Lets start at the very beginning (a very good place to start), The opening sequence of the episode. This is where we see Dr. Candle/Halliwax/Chan perform his morning routine and then go film a 'Hatch Video'. I think that when we were watching the episode live we were too wrapped up in the 'Who is it going to be?' question to think about some of what we were seeing. Upon a second viewing I realized that he was getting up to take care of a baby. A BABY! This means one of two things, either the good doctor and his wife just moved to the Island, or, and I think this is what we are really supposed to pull from the scene, that island baby making wasn't a problem before the rise of Dharma and the manipulation of time. I always figured that the same phenomenon that was keeping Richard Alpert young was preventing babies from being born. I think that time travel is the answer to both questions.
Most of the episode seemed rather straightforward to me. It was the confirmation of time travel on the Island, and with all the weird stuff we have already seen, time travel didn't shock me at all. I really like the way that it is being presented and it is giving one of my new favorite characters (Daniel Faraday) a chance to shine. Some people were saying that they didn't like all the time flashes that happened in the first episode but I think it was more of an introduction to how it worked then a pace for the rest of the season. So here are the time travel topics for discussion,
- Desmond, he's special. I don't know if the hatch explosion is what made him special or if he was beforehand but we do know that he's not new to moving through time. His conversation with Daniel created a new memory for Desmond and is what will bring him back to the Island. Which brings me to...
-I don't think Daniel is being very truthful with everyone. Obviously he knows more then he is letting on but I think he is has a reason for hiding what he knows.
-We are going to learn a lot about the history of the Island through these flashes, and I like that.
Man, I am starting to forget some of the stuff I wanted to say... hmmmm
Oh yeah, Locke is Dead. But is he totally dead, or only mostly dead? The way Ben is treating the situation, I'm not sure.
The peeps that shot the fire arrows at the end of episode two, well I like to think that they are the people who man the Arrow Station. Their job, as was explained at the beginning of the season, is to combat the indigenous people on the island. I think, they think our 815ers are those people.
If you are still reading this, good on you. I figure if I am getting tired of writing this, you are probably tired of reading it. I'm sure I have more to say but I am just getting distracted. So some final predictions....
Even though Ben is off the Island, he is still part of a network that is trying to keep the island away from Widmore.
Ms. Hawkings from the end of the episode is awesome and just might be Dan's mommy.
Ben will find a way to get everyone back to the Island... "he always has a plan"
Okay, I'm done. Leave a comment with any thoughts... I can't wait for next Wednesday.
John Coffelt at 11:26pm January 24
I think you're on the right track with the idea that the problem with pregnancies has to do with the manipulation of time.
Desmond was probably made special by the hatch explosion, because that was when he started having his issues with time. I noticed that he was the only person in the episode who saw the purple flash besides the time traveling Losties.
Daniel probably knows more about the dangers of what they're going through than he is letting on. It might even be possible to effect the future in some ways, but it is too dangerous and risky to try if you're not a physicist from Oxford.
The way Ben talked about Locke makes it sound like he might not be totally dead. It would be hard to swallow if he wasn't, but we'll see. I'd like to know why he has to die to bring everyone back.
Travis Menard at 11:29pm January 24
Yeah I can't wait to see what develops with Locke and his attempts to get off the island. Of all the guys who would never want to leave and now he has too.
John Coffelt at 11:32pm January 24
I don't know if I agree with you on the people in the Arrow station. It doesn't seem likely that they would actually use arrows. I think they're more likely part of that group that we see at the end of the episode and who knows who those people are.
Widmore doesn't really seem like that big of threat. It took him 20 years to find the island the first time. They could probably just wait for him to die after moving it now. It sounds like the bigger threat is whatever happens if they don't get everyone back. Ben is clearly part of some network, but his role in that network is something I'd like to find out. Ben should just get those darts that worked on Sayid and mail everyone back to the island.
It doesn't seem likely to me that Ms. Hawkings is Dan's mom. She'd have to be in two places at once.
It is going to be a good season.
John Coffelt at 12:14am January 25
Also, do you think Ms. Hawking was in a Dharma Station when we see her below that church? The computers looked similar to the ones Dharma uses and it had a hatch kind of vibe to it.
What do you think is in the box that Ben hides in the air vent?
I'm still trying to figure out what Dr. Chang was saying before he got cut off.
John Coffelt at 12:26am January 25
After watching that scene with Ms. Hawkings, there are indeed Dharma symbols on the binders by the computer. *Nerd Triumph signal*
John Coffelt at 12:35am January 25
And there is a Dharma Symbol clearly visible on the computer monitor when it zooms in on the "Event Window Determined". Looks like a lighthouse.
Matt Thompson at 1:32am January 25
Question......why do they not need to take Micheal/Walt back as well? Were they always supposed to get off the island? For that matter, what about Sun's baby...does she not need to go back either? Simple oversight or design?
Matt Thompson at 1:38am January 25
Edit to the above statement: Well......Micheal I guess you can consider being dead on the island. But my Walt thought still stands.
John Coffelt at 2:43am January 25
Maybe Walt does need to come back. Maybe not everyone does need to come back. Ben doesn't mention Aaron when talking about who needs to come back.
Ryan McGovern at 10:50am January 25
So are you saying that Locke is only kinda dead like in the Princess Bride? Will true love bring him back? Is Andre the Giant going to have to drag him around the rest of the season? So many questions.
John Coffelt at 11:37am January 25
Is that how the show is going to end? With us finding out that it was just Peter Falk reading a children's book to a young Fred Savage the entire time?
Ryan McGovern at 3:01pm January 25
OK hang on a second. The island has "moved" or has it? If all these people are jumping through time why are they at the location of the new island. Leading me to believe that the island did not actually go anywhere physically. While we are on the topic why did Ben shake that rabbit?
Travis Menard at 3:04pm January 25
Wow I will have to go back a look for that Dharma logo.
And yes, I believe that by the end of the season the O6 will take Locke to see Miracle Max, will make a coco covered pill and then shout, "Have fun storming the Island".
In regards to what Matt said, I'm not sure why Walt is not included. It could be that because he left before the rest of the group he is not needed. Or maybe they are already planning on taking him too. IDK. As for Aaron I think he does need to go back because he was there on the Island with the rest of the O6. Ji Yeon was born off the island and shouldn't need to go back.
As for the off Island stuff with Ben and Ms. Hawkings I think you are right on track Coffee. I noticed the old computer that she was working on and saw that it was just like the one in the swan. It is well known that Ben's reach extended beyond the Island but is he really at the top of the list? I think we will learn more about that soon. As for what is in the box... I don't know.
Ryan McGovern at 3:05pm January 25
Also if they jump to the time when Locke doesn't enter the numbers, will they enter them?
Matt Thompson at 3:08pm January 25
Well...isn't it obvious? Locke is in purgatory....and the yellow flash is the black smoke monster taking pictures of everyone (must be their special nano-bot technology). Why didn't we see this before?
Ryan McGovern at 3:09pm January 25
if Locke can't actually die I hope they turn him into Kenny from South Park and kill him every episode.
John Coffelt at 3:17pm January 25
I think the island is moving physically while some of the people on the island are moving through time. The danger is that if the island keeps moving, eventually it will crash right into the middle of Texas and that wouldn't be good for anyone.
John Coffelt at 3:17pm January 25
Besides the island needs to move to the North Pole for the LOST Season 6 Christmas special.
Matt Thompson at 3:21pm January 25
Being serious now, it kind of depends on what happens if they go back in time to a point where they were already there and that opens up 2 possibilities: 1) there are two of them all on the island at the same time (2 Sawyers, 2 Lockes, etc) or 2) They are taking the place of their past selves at that point in history.
If its option 1, I have no clue what would happen. Option 2 however seems much more likely and would cause more problems because some of the people are not there anymore (I'm assuming everyone that they are seeing in the past died on the island). We need to go back and see if any of the people who left did anything of great importance to the island and if them not doing it (again in the past) would mess up everything (if they aren't there to do it again, then Faraday's stream would have to change, causeing all sorts of chaos).
John Coffelt at 3:25pm January 25
I hope, for the sake of not confusing everyone with some weird time paradox, that they never visit a time when they were on the island. They were only there for about 4 months before the island moved, so it is possible that they would never land in that time period.
Ryan McGovern at 3:26pm January 25
I still have questions about the time travel moving through space and time because supposedly the island has moved in space to another location.
Travis Menard at 3:34pm January 25
I agree with Coffelt about the whole doppelganger paradox stuff... I just hope it doesn't happen.
I'm thinking of moving these to a blog off facebook so others could get involved. Thoughts?
p.s. Yo Gabba Gabba is on Noggin. Woot!
Matt Thompson at 3:46pm January 25
I was only introducing that possibility to explain why they have to go back. It seems reasonable...if they are preventing the stream from staying the same by their absence, that could lead Ms. Hawkings (aka Ms Creepy Time Lady) to say that they are all doomed (or whatever she said) if they don't go back.
Matt Thompson at 4:09pm January 25
oh...and go ahead and move this elsewhere if you feel like it. I have people from back home that I'll let know so they can check it too.
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